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I am continuously getting rejected by universities. What am I doing wrong?
Hello teachers and career experts. I want to become an engineer so badly. My question is that I have applied to many good universities, but I am continuously getting rejected by them. I have average grades. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have asked from so many educational platforms like Personal Statement UAE and career experts. They all told me to prepare a good application and focus on extracurriculars, cause my grades are not enough. Maybe this is the case? Are there any other relatable options for me?
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Dan Wolf
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I was just like you and I earned a 4-year Electrical Engineering degree by starting at the local Community College (which accept everyone).
I did not get good grades in grade school and did much worse in high school. When I graduated from HS (???), I had no plans and on the spur of the moment, enrolled in the Air Force for four years. Upon discharge from the AF, I decided to earn an electrical engineering degree and applied to the local 4-year university where they refused to accept me into the engineering program but offered me acceptance into the general studies program where if I did well enough, I could apply to the engineering program after two years. Note that I received the general studies offer (instead of a 100% rejection) because I was a military veteran with GI benefits.
Not liking the potential of not being accepted into engineering after two years of effort, I chose to go to the local Community College and then transfer to a four-year university. I started taking remedial math (my english placement test scores were high enough for college level english or else I would have had to take remedial english). Remedial math and english could, at most, require up to three semesters (15-18 credits that will not transfer to a 4-year university).
The community colleges are much more committed to helping struggling students. They accept anyone but will require remedial (non-credit) classes in math and english based on a placement test. They should also allow you to start taking engineering classes in your first year or two (depending on your placement test scores) which gives you exposure to your primary interest. The key thing to remember is that you must work closely with the College Advisors (community college and 4-year university as well as your different instructors) to pick classes that will transfer to your desired 4-year university. Ask the 4-year university for a list of classes required for their full degree plus a list of classes that they accept from the community college. Use these two lists every time you select your community college classes. Done right, the process can be very efficient or done wrong, very inefficient with both time and money. Make a plan!
I would like to note that I had a successful career in industry with an electrical engineering degree but I also taught engineering classes at the local community college for 40 years and worked in the college advisement office for five years after retiring from industry. It is very achievable and a very cost effective way to get a degree. The most important requirement is for you to take it all very serious and study hard (it will be equal to a full-time job). An engineering degree is very achievable if you have a sincere desire and ability to make the time for all the work!
Final note: I would not have been successful had I started college right out of HS. I was not mature enough and simply did not know what I wanted. Four years in the military plus a wife and two children helped me to understand the importance of a good college degree. Your success will depend on your desire and efforts to achieve excellent grades (not average). You might not get 100% of A grades (I earned a B average in college math classes) however C grades certainly are not good enough for an engineering degree. If you are not earning B or A grades then either slow down to part-time classes or reduce the time spent on other things in your life (friends, hobbies, video games, social media, etc).
You are welcome to ask me additional questions.
The key thing to remember is that you must work closely with the College Advisors (community college and 4- university as well as your different instructors) to pick classes that will transfer to your desired 4-year university.year
Ask the 4-year university for a list of classes required for their full degree plus a list of classes that they accept from the community college. Use these two lists every time you select your community college classes.
I did not get good grades in grade school and did much worse in high school. When I graduated from HS (???), I had no plans and on the spur of the moment, enrolled in the Air Force for four years. Upon discharge from the AF, I decided to earn an electrical engineering degree and applied to the local 4-year university where they refused to accept me into the engineering program but offered me acceptance into the general studies program where if I did well enough, I could apply to the engineering program after two years. Note that I received the general studies offer (instead of a 100% rejection) because I was a military veteran with GI benefits.
Not liking the potential of not being accepted into engineering after two years of effort, I chose to go to the local Community College and then transfer to a four-year university. I started taking remedial math (my english placement test scores were high enough for college level english or else I would have had to take remedial english). Remedial math and english could, at most, require up to three semesters (15-18 credits that will not transfer to a 4-year university).
The community colleges are much more committed to helping struggling students. They accept anyone but will require remedial (non-credit) classes in math and english based on a placement test. They should also allow you to start taking engineering classes in your first year or two (depending on your placement test scores) which gives you exposure to your primary interest. The key thing to remember is that you must work closely with the College Advisors (community college and 4-year university as well as your different instructors) to pick classes that will transfer to your desired 4-year university. Ask the 4-year university for a list of classes required for their full degree plus a list of classes that they accept from the community college. Use these two lists every time you select your community college classes. Done right, the process can be very efficient or done wrong, very inefficient with both time and money. Make a plan!
I would like to note that I had a successful career in industry with an electrical engineering degree but I also taught engineering classes at the local community college for 40 years and worked in the college advisement office for five years after retiring from industry. It is very achievable and a very cost effective way to get a degree. The most important requirement is for you to take it all very serious and study hard (it will be equal to a full-time job). An engineering degree is very achievable if you have a sincere desire and ability to make the time for all the work!
Final note: I would not have been successful had I started college right out of HS. I was not mature enough and simply did not know what I wanted. Four years in the military plus a wife and two children helped me to understand the importance of a good college degree. Your success will depend on your desire and efforts to achieve excellent grades (not average). You might not get 100% of A grades (I earned a B average in college math classes) however C grades certainly are not good enough for an engineering degree. If you are not earning B or A grades then either slow down to part-time classes or reduce the time spent on other things in your life (friends, hobbies, video games, social media, etc).
You are welcome to ask me additional questions.
Dan recommends the following next steps:
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Briana’s Answer
Hi, Nawrah,
The first thing you should do is research the acceptance rates and average GPA and test scores of the schools you're applying to. I've attached a site where you can look that up to the recommendations below. Once you've done that, you need to find at least three schools:
-a "safe" school where your GPA and test scores fall above the average, and where their overall acceptance rate is higher
-a "match" school where your GPA and test scores fall within the average range for accepted students
-a "reach" school where your GPA and test scores fall within the average range or below and/or where their overall acceptance rate is lower
Next, try to see the type of student that gets accepted and what the culture of the university is. There are many qualified applicants who rejected because they are not a "fit" with the culture of the college. For example, if you love sports and all of your extracurriculars are related to sports, a school that does not prioritize sports or have any major sports teams may not accept you. There are also many people with perfect grades and perfect extracurriculars who get rejected because nothing makes them stand out from any other applicant determined to have the "perfect" college application.
Next, write you personal statement. This demonstrates your writing skills but, first and foremost, is a way for you to discuss who you are outside of the grades and extracurriculars that anyone can read on your resume. The statement is not just a list of accomplishments or a list of goals. It also does not have to be about academics. I, for example, wrote my personal statement about why I enjoyed a hobby I have, totally unrelated to acedemics or leaderships roles or anything. But it worked, and I got accepted into almost every school I applied to because it got across who I was and whether what I valued and aspired to fit with the college. So for you, if you really want to become an engineer, consider writing about why.
Remember- a "good school" means many different things. Many people look for name recognition or prestige. Unless you are planning on working in academia as a professor, no one cares what college you went to once you get into the workforce. What matters is that is that the college is accredited and you learn what you need to learn in order to do the job well.
Some of the other things that I would personally prioritize over a "big name" are campus culture, financial aid offerings, location, job placement % after graduation, and post-graduate career support.
Fo here to research what the accepted student data looks like: https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/s/pennsylvania/
The first thing you should do is research the acceptance rates and average GPA and test scores of the schools you're applying to. I've attached a site where you can look that up to the recommendations below. Once you've done that, you need to find at least three schools:
-a "safe" school where your GPA and test scores fall above the average, and where their overall acceptance rate is higher
-a "match" school where your GPA and test scores fall within the average range for accepted students
-a "reach" school where your GPA and test scores fall within the average range or below and/or where their overall acceptance rate is lower
Next, try to see the type of student that gets accepted and what the culture of the university is. There are many qualified applicants who rejected because they are not a "fit" with the culture of the college. For example, if you love sports and all of your extracurriculars are related to sports, a school that does not prioritize sports or have any major sports teams may not accept you. There are also many people with perfect grades and perfect extracurriculars who get rejected because nothing makes them stand out from any other applicant determined to have the "perfect" college application.
Next, write you personal statement. This demonstrates your writing skills but, first and foremost, is a way for you to discuss who you are outside of the grades and extracurriculars that anyone can read on your resume. The statement is not just a list of accomplishments or a list of goals. It also does not have to be about academics. I, for example, wrote my personal statement about why I enjoyed a hobby I have, totally unrelated to acedemics or leaderships roles or anything. But it worked, and I got accepted into almost every school I applied to because it got across who I was and whether what I valued and aspired to fit with the college. So for you, if you really want to become an engineer, consider writing about why.
Remember- a "good school" means many different things. Many people look for name recognition or prestige. Unless you are planning on working in academia as a professor, no one cares what college you went to once you get into the workforce. What matters is that is that the college is accredited and you learn what you need to learn in order to do the job well.
Some of the other things that I would personally prioritize over a "big name" are campus culture, financial aid offerings, location, job placement % after graduation, and post-graduate career support.
Briana recommends the following next steps:
Thank you so much. I will keep these in mind
Nawrah
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Zubayydah’s Answer
Hello Nawrah,
Yes, the issue is probably your grades. What sort of extra-curricular activities are you into? Do you participate in any form of community service? Do you do any activism? What independent projects have you carried out in regards to engineering? Have you worked in the field in some way? These things could boost your application. You should also target schools that take in students based on these criteria.
Apply to schools that admit based on extra curricular activities
Work experience in your field can give you a boost
Embark on independent projects in your field
Community service, charity, activism
Get thank you letters to use as a testament and reference
Yes, the issue is probably your grades. What sort of extra-curricular activities are you into? Do you participate in any form of community service? Do you do any activism? What independent projects have you carried out in regards to engineering? Have you worked in the field in some way? These things could boost your application. You should also target schools that take in students based on these criteria.
Zubayydah recommends the following next steps:
I appreciate this, thank you for the advice.
Nawrah
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Christina’s Answer
Hi Nawrah!
Dealing with rejection from a university can be difficult to deal with, especially when you feel like you are doing all the things you're told to increase your likelihood of acceptance. I want to encourage a different route.
Have you considered starting at the community college and then transferring to the university after two years? Many universities also have agreements with local universities that will guarantee your admission based on specific requirements (look into "transfer agreement programs" in California).
I noticed you are from Fresno, Ca. Did you know that Fresno City College has an engineering program/major that you could pursue? This will give you an opportunity to 'prove yourself' capable of succeeding in college-level work when applying to universities.
If you're not open to Fresno City College, consider doing some research on other community colleges that may offer engineering. I included links below to Fresno City College.
I hope this advice gives you some guidance on how to continue your research. Keep your head up and know that you are not your grades. Life will have you jump through hoops and you can't let that stop you from pursuing your goals! So, I'm so glad you reach out to us here.
https://www.fresnocitycollege.edu/academics/divisions/math-science-and-engineering-division/engineering.html
https://www.fresnocitycollege.edu/admissions-aid/apply.html
Dealing with rejection from a university can be difficult to deal with, especially when you feel like you are doing all the things you're told to increase your likelihood of acceptance. I want to encourage a different route.
Have you considered starting at the community college and then transferring to the university after two years? Many universities also have agreements with local universities that will guarantee your admission based on specific requirements (look into "transfer agreement programs" in California).
I noticed you are from Fresno, Ca. Did you know that Fresno City College has an engineering program/major that you could pursue? This will give you an opportunity to 'prove yourself' capable of succeeding in college-level work when applying to universities.
If you're not open to Fresno City College, consider doing some research on other community colleges that may offer engineering. I included links below to Fresno City College.
I hope this advice gives you some guidance on how to continue your research. Keep your head up and know that you are not your grades. Life will have you jump through hoops and you can't let that stop you from pursuing your goals! So, I'm so glad you reach out to us here.
https://www.fresnocitycollege.edu/academics/divisions/math-science-and-engineering-division/engineering.html
https://www.fresnocitycollege.edu/admissions-aid/apply.html
Thank you so much. I would do research about these program. Thanks.
Nawrah
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Loriel’s Answer
Well I haven't gone through everybody's answers but I can offer you a little bit of advice. Your application is important. If you're really wanting to get into a top-notch school you do you have to have the grades, but if you are like me and it seems you are and you're just an average student who does good in school not great then you do want to focus on your extracurricular activities and what you can actually bring to that school. Also keep in mind that your grades may be average but for the department they may require you to have a certain level academically when it comes to your grades. GPA requirements and majors are a real thing they do exist and if you don't meet the requirement or they don't believe that you will meet that requirements we will not be selected unfortunately. You can always try to do two years at a community college or at a state college and then transfer out to the college that you desire. There are a lot of students I can't state that does this very thing. They get into Kent state they know that they need to have a really good GPA if they're going to apply to a specific school they buckle down and do the work they transfer to say at school. On the flipside of that state level colleges have really good programs as well so if you're not able to get into MIT or any other world renowned institutions consider your local state colleges your Cleveland states your Ohio states your Kent states even. You can earn an engineering degree there and get an amazing job just like anybody who's going to MIT.
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Amalya’s Answer
Hello Nawrah
It's a challenging situation, but every problem can and should be solved! First of all, don't predispose yourself negatively about the situation and your future application: Positive thinking is a strength which can open new and even broader horizons in front of you.
Before applying, carefully read the application requirements of the college you are interested in. Make sure that you fully or almost fully meet the entry requirements. Also, do volunteer work if possible: It will help you gain important skills in your area and will make your college application stronger and more competitive.
If you have the necessary skills for academic writing (although you are just going to start your studies), write research papers or articles, even a small range of work, and try to publish them on different scholarly journals or somewhere else. It will give additional advantages to your application. Just try to do all the things which will demonstrate your high level of interest in college education and the field you've chosen.
All the best and good luck in your future applications!
It's a challenging situation, but every problem can and should be solved! First of all, don't predispose yourself negatively about the situation and your future application: Positive thinking is a strength which can open new and even broader horizons in front of you.
Before applying, carefully read the application requirements of the college you are interested in. Make sure that you fully or almost fully meet the entry requirements. Also, do volunteer work if possible: It will help you gain important skills in your area and will make your college application stronger and more competitive.
If you have the necessary skills for academic writing (although you are just going to start your studies), write research papers or articles, even a small range of work, and try to publish them on different scholarly journals or somewhere else. It will give additional advantages to your application. Just try to do all the things which will demonstrate your high level of interest in college education and the field you've chosen.
All the best and good luck in your future applications!
Amalya, thank you!
Nawrah
I know this can be frustrating. Hang in there.
First, are you only applying to top notch schools. If so, you may want to broaden your application to other schools. Second, is this really the field for you. If so, I would try an externship with engineers. Third, I would probably take additional classes-masters program etc.
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James Constantine’s Answer
Hey there, Nawrah!
Let's Chat About University Applications
Applying to universities can feel like a daunting task, especially for demanding programs like engineering that have high entry requirements. It's super important to get to grips with the different aspects that universities look at when they're reviewing applications.
How Your Grades Matter
Your academic performance is a key player in university admissions. Yes, grades aren't everything, but they do hold a lot of weight in the decision-making process. If your grades are just average, this might be affecting your chances of getting into competitive engineering programs. Universities are usually on the lookout for students who've shown they can excel acadically, especially in subjects related to their chosen field of study.
The Power of Extracurricular Activities
Besides your academic performance, universities also love seeing extracurricular activities. Participating in these shows that you're a well-rounded person and that you're committed to more than just your studies. But remember, while extracurriculars can boost your application, they might not make up for grades that are below average. It's important to find a good balance between your studies and extracurriculars.
The Importance of Application Materials
The quality of your application materials, like your personal statement and letters of recommendation, also play a big part in the admissions process. A great personal statement can help you shine among other applicants and give insight into why you want to be an engineer. Similarly, strong letters of recommendation from teachers or mentors who can vouch for your abilities and character can really strengthen your application.
Exploring Other Paths
If you're finding it hard to get into traditional university programs, there are other paths you can take. For instance, you could think about enrolling in a community college or technical school to boost your academic record and then transfer to a four-year university. Also, some universities offer bridge programs or foundation courses designed to get students ready for their engineering programs.
Getting the Right Advice
It's great that you're seeking advice from educational platforms and career experts. But, it might also be a good idea to get guidance directly from university admissions counselors or representatives. They can give you personalized advice for your specific situation and tips on how to make your application stronger.
In closing, even though it's tough to face rejection from multiple universities, it's crucial to take a close look at your application materials, academic performance, and extracurricular involvement. Think about other paths and get personalized advice to increase your chances of getting into an engineering program.
Top 3 Trusted Reference Publications:
The Princeton Review
U.S. News & World Report
National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC)
These sources were used to gather information on university admissions processes, factors considered in admissions decisions, and alternative pathways for aspiring engineers.
May you be blessed abundantly!
James.
Let's Chat About University Applications
Applying to universities can feel like a daunting task, especially for demanding programs like engineering that have high entry requirements. It's super important to get to grips with the different aspects that universities look at when they're reviewing applications.
How Your Grades Matter
Your academic performance is a key player in university admissions. Yes, grades aren't everything, but they do hold a lot of weight in the decision-making process. If your grades are just average, this might be affecting your chances of getting into competitive engineering programs. Universities are usually on the lookout for students who've shown they can excel acadically, especially in subjects related to their chosen field of study.
The Power of Extracurricular Activities
Besides your academic performance, universities also love seeing extracurricular activities. Participating in these shows that you're a well-rounded person and that you're committed to more than just your studies. But remember, while extracurriculars can boost your application, they might not make up for grades that are below average. It's important to find a good balance between your studies and extracurriculars.
The Importance of Application Materials
The quality of your application materials, like your personal statement and letters of recommendation, also play a big part in the admissions process. A great personal statement can help you shine among other applicants and give insight into why you want to be an engineer. Similarly, strong letters of recommendation from teachers or mentors who can vouch for your abilities and character can really strengthen your application.
Exploring Other Paths
If you're finding it hard to get into traditional university programs, there are other paths you can take. For instance, you could think about enrolling in a community college or technical school to boost your academic record and then transfer to a four-year university. Also, some universities offer bridge programs or foundation courses designed to get students ready for their engineering programs.
Getting the Right Advice
It's great that you're seeking advice from educational platforms and career experts. But, it might also be a good idea to get guidance directly from university admissions counselors or representatives. They can give you personalized advice for your specific situation and tips on how to make your application stronger.
In closing, even though it's tough to face rejection from multiple universities, it's crucial to take a close look at your application materials, academic performance, and extracurricular involvement. Think about other paths and get personalized advice to increase your chances of getting into an engineering program.
Top 3 Trusted Reference Publications:
The Princeton Review
U.S. News & World Report
National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC)
These sources were used to gather information on university admissions processes, factors considered in admissions decisions, and alternative pathways for aspiring engineers.
May you be blessed abundantly!
James.