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Angel
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Does it matter where you get your college degree from, if you wanna work at a big tech company?
I’m a senior in high school and I want to study computer science to become a programmer, the thing is that college is can be sort of expensive, I wanted to go out of state to a tech school but it is kind of pricey, the thing is that a college near me offers a computer science program as well and it’s cheaper and closer, now what I was wondering is if i wanna work at a big tech company does my college degree matter (where it’s from and what college it’s from)
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Amy Zhou
Software Engineer
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Los Angeles, California
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Amy’s Answer
Hello,
As a software engineer at Microsoft, I've been involved in the interview and hiring process for college interns and fresh graduates. I've reviewed resumes from candidates across various "tiers" of colleges and I can confidently say that not attending a top-tier school doesn't necessarily hinder your chances of securing a job at a prestigious company. However, it's important to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of attending a highly-ranked institution versus a less renowned one.
Being a graduate of a top-tier college myself (Caltech), I believe the main benefits were:
1.) Such colleges often attract more recruitment events, making it easier for students to discover job opportunities.
2.) The faculty and fellow students can serve as a valuable initial network.
3.) The coursework is typically more challenging, which often results in a solid foundation in computer science and mathematics.
On the flip side, there are some drawbacks:
1.) The cost of attendance can be significantly higher compared to a local state school.
2.) The rigorous nature of the classes might limit your time for engaging in extracurricular activities or pursuing personal projects.
Interestingly, my brother, a graduate of a state school (Penn State), also works with me at Microsoft as a software engineer- his first job post-college. While I can't speak on his behalf, he has expressed that attending a state school allowed him to maintain his high school momentum, excel in his classes, impress his professors, and find a group of high-achieving peers. The only downside he's noted is that since graduating, he receives fewer unsolicited recruiting emails from other companies, such as quantitative trading firms and other companies which are much more about "prestige" when hiring.
As a software engineer at Microsoft, I've been involved in the interview and hiring process for college interns and fresh graduates. I've reviewed resumes from candidates across various "tiers" of colleges and I can confidently say that not attending a top-tier school doesn't necessarily hinder your chances of securing a job at a prestigious company. However, it's important to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of attending a highly-ranked institution versus a less renowned one.
Being a graduate of a top-tier college myself (Caltech), I believe the main benefits were:
1.) Such colleges often attract more recruitment events, making it easier for students to discover job opportunities.
2.) The faculty and fellow students can serve as a valuable initial network.
3.) The coursework is typically more challenging, which often results in a solid foundation in computer science and mathematics.
On the flip side, there are some drawbacks:
1.) The cost of attendance can be significantly higher compared to a local state school.
2.) The rigorous nature of the classes might limit your time for engaging in extracurricular activities or pursuing personal projects.
Interestingly, my brother, a graduate of a state school (Penn State), also works with me at Microsoft as a software engineer- his first job post-college. While I can't speak on his behalf, he has expressed that attending a state school allowed him to maintain his high school momentum, excel in his classes, impress his professors, and find a group of high-achieving peers. The only downside he's noted is that since graduating, he receives fewer unsolicited recruiting emails from other companies, such as quantitative trading firms and other companies which are much more about "prestige" when hiring.
Thank you for taking the time to help.
Angel
Alyssa Juzwa
Data Analyst
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Tampa, Florida
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Alyssa’s Answer
Hello Angel! I completed the initial half of my degree at a local community college and the remaining half at a state college. I firmly believe that the origin of your degree isn't as crucial as the knowledge you've gained and your achievements during your college years. Maintaining a professional portfolio that showcases all your projects and academic work is an excellent way to document your accomplishments.
Employers are equally interested in your extracurricular activities and how well you balance your educational and social life. Engage in club activities, build connections with your peers, and try to secure an internship, even if it's only for a few months. Make an effort to connect with both small and large companies that align with your interests.
Networking plays a significant role in landing your desired job. Acquiring certifications in coding languages and software can also give you an edge over others.
Remember, you're capable of achieving great things! Stay driven, stay inspired, and keep networking! Many professionals enjoy interacting with students and are eager to see you succeed!
Best wishes!
-Alyssa
Employers are equally interested in your extracurricular activities and how well you balance your educational and social life. Engage in club activities, build connections with your peers, and try to secure an internship, even if it's only for a few months. Make an effort to connect with both small and large companies that align with your interests.
Networking plays a significant role in landing your desired job. Acquiring certifications in coding languages and software can also give you an edge over others.
Remember, you're capable of achieving great things! Stay driven, stay inspired, and keep networking! Many professionals enjoy interacting with students and are eager to see you succeed!
Best wishes!
-Alyssa
I am really grateful you took the time to answer this question.
Angel
Thank you for the advice, Alyssa.
Angel
Diana Gilmore
Sales Manager
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San Francisco, California
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Diana’s Answer
Hi Angel! My recommendation would be to start off at your local university for at least the first two years to save money and confirm that CS is the subject and career trajectory that you want for your future. You always have the option to transfer to a different university for the second two years and receive your bachelors degree from that University.
In the end of the day, you will still have the opportunity to get a job at a big tech company with a degree from any university. Your grades and dedication to the subject are what matter most! Go get 'em!
In the end of the day, you will still have the opportunity to get a job at a big tech company with a degree from any university. Your grades and dedication to the subject are what matter most! Go get 'em!
Thank you, this is really helpful.
Angel
Nivea Hanley
AI Engineer
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Clearwater, Florida
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Nivea’s Answer
Hey Angel,
It's a good question! While a prestigious college might open some doors, it's not the only way. What matters more is your skills, experience, and networking. If you can save money by going to a local college and still build a strong portfolio, that can be a smart move. You can always consider graduate school later if needed.
Best of luck with your computer science journey!
It's a good question! While a prestigious college might open some doors, it's not the only way. What matters more is your skills, experience, and networking. If you can save money by going to a local college and still build a strong portfolio, that can be a smart move. You can always consider graduate school later if needed.
Best of luck with your computer science journey!
Thanks for the advice.
Angel
Dr. Frederik Wulf
Senior Business Strategy Manager
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Stuttgart, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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Dr. Frederik’s Answer
Hello Angel :-)
Absolutely, the comments above hit the nail on the head. The name of your college isn't the be-all and end-all. There's so much more to consider! I would highly suggest you take advantage of the learning courses provided by major tech companies themselves. Giants like MSFT/AWS/GCP offer free learning paths on their technologies. Plus, you can get certified through remote exams, which are typically free for students. By diving into these opportunities, you'll gain practical experience with cutting-edge technologies. This will clearly demonstrate your keen interest and deep understanding in the tech field.
I hope this advice proves beneficial for you.
Cheers,
Freddy
Absolutely, the comments above hit the nail on the head. The name of your college isn't the be-all and end-all. There's so much more to consider! I would highly suggest you take advantage of the learning courses provided by major tech companies themselves. Giants like MSFT/AWS/GCP offer free learning paths on their technologies. Plus, you can get certified through remote exams, which are typically free for students. By diving into these opportunities, you'll gain practical experience with cutting-edge technologies. This will clearly demonstrate your keen interest and deep understanding in the tech field.
I hope this advice proves beneficial for you.
Cheers,
Freddy
Thank you so much, Dr. Frederik!
Angel
Christopher Anane
Principal Software Engineer - IT Accessibility
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Mount Prospect, Illinois
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Christopher’s Answer
Hello Angel,
Good day, and many blessings to you, little one 🤗. The answer is no. It doesn’t matter what school you get the degree or certification from. You can still work for a big tech company. Community colleges, as you know, also offer degrees and certificates at a lower cost than universities. The good thing is even if you do not get into big tech right away, you can work for a smaller company to get your work experience up! And then later apply to work in big tech 🙂🥰
Remember that JESUS loves you.
With Joy,
Chris
Good day, and many blessings to you, little one 🤗. The answer is no. It doesn’t matter what school you get the degree or certification from. You can still work for a big tech company. Community colleges, as you know, also offer degrees and certificates at a lower cost than universities. The good thing is even if you do not get into big tech right away, you can work for a smaller company to get your work experience up! And then later apply to work in big tech 🙂🥰
Remember that JESUS loves you.
With Joy,
Chris
Thank you for the advice.
Angel
You're welcome Angel 😊.
Christopher Anane
Michelle M.
Entertainment Industry
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Michelle’s Answer
Hello, Angel !
It sounds like you have some good plans for an exciting career in technology.
I believe that it would be fine to attend the college you speak of. How employers hire weighs a lot more on a few other factors than just an impressive name of a college. One of the foremost things that could determine if you are hired at any company is in the last segment of applying - the job interview. That is the facet of job application in which an employer gets to know you, interact with you, learn a bit about what you know and comes to a conclusion as to how you would fit in at the company. I wouldn't worry about names of colleges or Ivy League schools, especially if those are not within your means.
I would advise continuing with what you are doing and while enrolled in college, join everything and anything to do with your major. No one can say who will hire you or who won't and why, that is why I would also suggest studying how to do a job interview. I think there may be a lot of instructional videos on line for this as well as numerous articles on line to read about how to do a stellar job interview. Once you get the basics, try practicing it with role playing with a friend or relative acting as the employer. If it's possible, go on some job interviews if you're looking for part time work and think of that as a learning experience.
In addition, I would like to suggest that you should go for a Bachelors Degree because that would carry more weight against applicants that have an Associates degree. So, there are ways around not having a famous school name on your resume and millions of us obtained employment without that. But the level of your degree will keep you competitive in the tech field. Who knows, you may even obtain a job one day that will pay for you to go for a Masters degree. You just never know what awaits.
So, yes, attend the college you've mentioned in your question and be assured that employers look at much more than just a well-known college name when considering candidates for the position. I wish you all the best each step of the way !
It sounds like you have some good plans for an exciting career in technology.
I believe that it would be fine to attend the college you speak of. How employers hire weighs a lot more on a few other factors than just an impressive name of a college. One of the foremost things that could determine if you are hired at any company is in the last segment of applying - the job interview. That is the facet of job application in which an employer gets to know you, interact with you, learn a bit about what you know and comes to a conclusion as to how you would fit in at the company. I wouldn't worry about names of colleges or Ivy League schools, especially if those are not within your means.
I would advise continuing with what you are doing and while enrolled in college, join everything and anything to do with your major. No one can say who will hire you or who won't and why, that is why I would also suggest studying how to do a job interview. I think there may be a lot of instructional videos on line for this as well as numerous articles on line to read about how to do a stellar job interview. Once you get the basics, try practicing it with role playing with a friend or relative acting as the employer. If it's possible, go on some job interviews if you're looking for part time work and think of that as a learning experience.
In addition, I would like to suggest that you should go for a Bachelors Degree because that would carry more weight against applicants that have an Associates degree. So, there are ways around not having a famous school name on your resume and millions of us obtained employment without that. But the level of your degree will keep you competitive in the tech field. Who knows, you may even obtain a job one day that will pay for you to go for a Masters degree. You just never know what awaits.
So, yes, attend the college you've mentioned in your question and be assured that employers look at much more than just a well-known college name when considering candidates for the position. I wish you all the best each step of the way !
Thank you, this is really helpful.
Angel
You are very welcome, Angel !
Michelle M.
Darian Green
Finance and Accounting
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Seattle, Washington
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Darian’s Answer
I do not believe it matters as much where you get your degree from. What matters most is whether you are exposed to the most relevant curriculum for the types of jobs available in the market after you graduate and that you are learning non-technical attributes such as how to work in a collaborate environment, how to deal with change or how to communicate well in corporate settings.
I am really grateful you took the time to answer this question.
Angel
Isis Nájera
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Los Angeles, California
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Isis’s Answer
Great question, Angel!
My perspective is that while where you get your college degree matters some, but it's not the deciding factor for getting hired at a big tech company. What matters most is developing solid technical skills, building an impressive portfolio of projects, and networking to make connections in the industry. There are other pathways. I personally went the software engineering bootcamp route instead; it gave me hands-on training in full stack development and saved a ton of money.
An in-state public school with a solid CS program can get you where you want to go, as long as you build up your skills and connections. Leverage internships, side projects, participating in hackathons and coding competitions to boost your experience and resume, and connect with professionals at companies you want to work at. That's what matters most to get your foot in the door. Good luck!
My perspective is that while where you get your college degree matters some, but it's not the deciding factor for getting hired at a big tech company. What matters most is developing solid technical skills, building an impressive portfolio of projects, and networking to make connections in the industry. There are other pathways. I personally went the software engineering bootcamp route instead; it gave me hands-on training in full stack development and saved a ton of money.
An in-state public school with a solid CS program can get you where you want to go, as long as you build up your skills and connections. Leverage internships, side projects, participating in hackathons and coding competitions to boost your experience and resume, and connect with professionals at companies you want to work at. That's what matters most to get your foot in the door. Good luck!
Thank you so much for the advice.
Angel
Charles Meng
Software Engineer
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Seattle, Washington
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Charles’s Answer
I would say that the brand name of your school does matter to some degree when applying to your first job. Compared to other people, it seems like I had a relatively easy time getting responses to internship applications when I had nothing on my resume except my school and some projects. With that being said, how much you learn at school and the professional connections you form will be mostly dependent on the amount of effort you put in. Most of the topics that you learn will be the same no matter which school you go to, and you can always find resources online to learn more. So once you get to an interview, or start working at a job, how well you do will mostly depend on your individual capabilities, and the school that you went to won't matter at all.
Additionally, once you get your first internship or job, the brand name of the company you work for will matter just as much if not more, for applying to future jobs. So once you get to that stage, you should be at a level playing field with anyone with the same experience no matter which school they went to. Because of that, which school you go to will mostly be inconsequential in the long term, although it can absolutely save a lot of effort in the early stages of applying to jobs.
Additionally, once you get your first internship or job, the brand name of the company you work for will matter just as much if not more, for applying to future jobs. So once you get to that stage, you should be at a level playing field with anyone with the same experience no matter which school they went to. Because of that, which school you go to will mostly be inconsequential in the long term, although it can absolutely save a lot of effort in the early stages of applying to jobs.
Joe Kenney
Account Executive
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Raleigh, North Carolina
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Joe’s Answer
Absolutely, I believe you can do it! I'm a proud graduate of a school in the Southeast, where I majored in Sports Management. There's a wealth of resources available to help you learn new skills and boost your appeal to potential employers.
Remember, networking in the tech world is crucial. Don't hesitate to connect with others on LinkedIn or through other professional platforms. You'll find many people with backgrounds similar to yours, and they're usually more than happy to lend a hand!
Remember, networking in the tech world is crucial. Don't hesitate to connect with others on LinkedIn or through other professional platforms. You'll find many people with backgrounds similar to yours, and they're usually more than happy to lend a hand!
Thank you so much, Joe!
Angel
Elliot Jordan
Web Developer
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Indianapolis, Indiana
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Elliot’s Answer
Quality matters. Brand matters. Name matters. Don't shop for name brand clothes? Do you like the best brand of car? Of course you do. Employers look for good names too. They want to see great universities on resumes. It doesn't mean that a 2nd or 3rd tier school isn't enough to get you a job - there are also many other factors. But I think companies care MORE about the school you went to than GPA or even major sometimes. Ultimately what you LEARNED wherever you went to school and WHAT YOU BRING to an employer is most important. And that comes across in an interview.
Thank you for the advice.
Angel
Vince Doan
Account Executive, Tech
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Rockville, Maryland
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Vince’s Answer
The institution from which you earn your degree isn't the be-all and end-all. Strive to achieve your college degree with minimal tuition costs and debt. A prestigious college may open doors to interviews, but the key is choosing a school with a strong program in your chosen field. For instance, a top-notch computer science school would be ideal if you're aiming to be a software engineer, or a reputable business/economics school if your sights are set on a general business career like sales, marketing, or finance.
The crux of the matter is your experience, so seize every opportunity to intern and participate in as many clubs as you can. Your interview skills are also crucial. Ensure you're well-prepared for the interview process by doing your homework and networking with individuals at the companies you're interviewing with to gain their valuable insights.
The crux of the matter is your experience, so seize every opportunity to intern and participate in as many clubs as you can. Your interview skills are also crucial. Ensure you're well-prepared for the interview process by doing your homework and networking with individuals at the companies you're interviewing with to gain their valuable insights.
This was super helpful, thank you!
Angel
Ross Soden
Partner Development
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Royal Leamington Spa, England, United Kingdom
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Ross’s Answer
If budget is a concern, why not think about pursuing a contemporary apprenticeship with a Tech firm? Companies like Microsoft offer such programs in the UK, providing you with the chance to gain knowledge at college while also gaining practical experience within the business. It's a fantastic opportunity to learn and grow!
Thank you!
Angel
John D
Software Engineer
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Hellertown, Pennsylvania
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John’s Answer
Great question!
Just as others have mentioned, I concur that it's not the ultimate deciding factor. I can assure you that I'm clueless about where my coworkers pursued their higher education. I'm familiar with their backgrounds and abilities, though. Your focus should be on honing specific skills you want to acquire and enhancing your abilities in your free time. I personally believe that a candidate from a less famous institution with several side projects is more desirable. However, I would also argue that attending a prestigious institution could potentially offer superior networking opportunities. Nevertheless, you could always attend events on your own to establish such connections. It's essential to consider all the advantages and disadvantages pointed out by others and those that apply to you.
If you're viewing this purely from a monetary standpoint, have you thought about beginning your journey at a local smaller college for the initial two years and then moving to a larger, more renowned institution? This was the path I chose, and my degree bears the name of the larger institution. This strategy saved me a significant amount of money, and I didn't miss out on anything because I took all my crucial Computer Science classes at the main institution. A word of caution, though: ensure that your chosen institution recognizes the credits from the college you plan to transfer from. Devote ample time to planning your schedule to ensure you take the right courses that contribute to your desired degree’s credits at the larger institution.
Just as others have mentioned, I concur that it's not the ultimate deciding factor. I can assure you that I'm clueless about where my coworkers pursued their higher education. I'm familiar with their backgrounds and abilities, though. Your focus should be on honing specific skills you want to acquire and enhancing your abilities in your free time. I personally believe that a candidate from a less famous institution with several side projects is more desirable. However, I would also argue that attending a prestigious institution could potentially offer superior networking opportunities. Nevertheless, you could always attend events on your own to establish such connections. It's essential to consider all the advantages and disadvantages pointed out by others and those that apply to you.
If you're viewing this purely from a monetary standpoint, have you thought about beginning your journey at a local smaller college for the initial two years and then moving to a larger, more renowned institution? This was the path I chose, and my degree bears the name of the larger institution. This strategy saved me a significant amount of money, and I didn't miss out on anything because I took all my crucial Computer Science classes at the main institution. A word of caution, though: ensure that your chosen institution recognizes the credits from the college you plan to transfer from. Devote ample time to planning your schedule to ensure you take the right courses that contribute to your desired degree’s credits at the larger institution.
I'm excited to put your great advice to good use!
Angel
Lucy Yu
Technology Account Management
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San Francisco, California
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Lucy’s Answer
For the past four years, I've been part of a leading tech company, and I've noticed that our recruitment team has a preference for certain schools. If your college boasts a well-respected engineering program, it's like a springboard into the tech industry. Top tech companies tend to view graduates from these programs in a positive light.
Yes, college can be a hefty investment, but the returns are substantial if you secure a position in a major tech company. You'll find that higher tuition fees can be comfortably paid off within a couple of years. Just a little insider info for you - starting salaries for junior engineers are often over $200K!
Yes, college can be a hefty investment, but the returns are substantial if you secure a position in a major tech company. You'll find that higher tuition fees can be comfortably paid off within a couple of years. Just a little insider info for you - starting salaries for junior engineers are often over $200K!
Thank you, Lucy!
Angel
Michel Bouman
Sr. Solution Specialist Lead for Teams Devices
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Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
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Michel’s Answer
Great question and the answer is No! Most big tech companies hire for culture to see if you are a great fit not based on the school you went to. They hire you, for you! Be great, do what brings you energy, be authentic and make sure companies see your passion.
Thank you for giving me advice.
Angel
Mrinal Soni
Customer Success Account Manaher
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Atlanta, Georgia
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Mrinal’s Answer
Hello Angel,
Fantastic query! Your thirst for knowledge is truly admirable. Here are a few points to consider from my perspective:
- The value of a good education is undeniable, but remember, it's ultimately up to you to extract the most from your studies, regardless of whether the college is your top choice or not. If you're goal-oriented and ready to put in the sweat and tears, success is within your grasp.
- In the modern digital age, major tech companies don't place as much weight on whether you graduated from a prestigious college. What they're looking for are the skills you can bring to the table. There's a wealth of "free" educational resources available online that you can tap into.
- I suggest considering staying local or within your state to cut down on college expenses. You can then use the money saved to enroll in courses outside your main curriculum. After college, land a job and save even more. Later, you can pursue higher education at a university of your choice, one that can equip you with the specific skills you need for your career.
Best of luck!
Fantastic query! Your thirst for knowledge is truly admirable. Here are a few points to consider from my perspective:
- The value of a good education is undeniable, but remember, it's ultimately up to you to extract the most from your studies, regardless of whether the college is your top choice or not. If you're goal-oriented and ready to put in the sweat and tears, success is within your grasp.
- In the modern digital age, major tech companies don't place as much weight on whether you graduated from a prestigious college. What they're looking for are the skills you can bring to the table. There's a wealth of "free" educational resources available online that you can tap into.
- I suggest considering staying local or within your state to cut down on college expenses. You can then use the money saved to enroll in courses outside your main curriculum. After college, land a job and save even more. Later, you can pursue higher education at a university of your choice, one that can equip you with the specific skills you need for your career.
Best of luck!
I appreciate this, thank you for the advice.
Angel
James Constantine Frangos
Consultant Dietitian & Software Developer since 1972 => Nutrition Education => Health & Longevity => Self-Actualization.
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Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
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James Constantine’s Answer
Hello Angel,
Boost your brain's learning potential by employing excellent nutritional strategies and a well-balanced diet. My journey into programming started in 1972 with the classic Fortran. Even though I didn't major in information technology, I had the opportunity to delve into programming through various course units. After mastering ten different computer languages, I eventually delved into .NET 8.0.
In 1988, I embarked on a career as a dietitian-nutritionist. By 1996, I was writing nutrition education software using Visual Basic 4.0. I assure you, an information technology degree isn't a necessity. All you need to do is demonstrate your exceptional skills on platforms to private corporations like Microsoft and Google. They are always on the lookout for ways to increase their profits and will be more than willing to support you in helping them achieve this.
Indeed, the USA is home to numerous accredited universities offering courses in computer software development and information technology. However, you might also consider pursuing a Doctorate. Remember, financial success and academic accomplishments can go hand in hand. While the Chinese are making strides in Artificial Intelligence, they are yet to match the prowess of the United States.
I have no doubt that you'll excel in whatever you set out to do.
God Bless,
Jim.
Boost your brain's learning potential by employing excellent nutritional strategies and a well-balanced diet. My journey into programming started in 1972 with the classic Fortran. Even though I didn't major in information technology, I had the opportunity to delve into programming through various course units. After mastering ten different computer languages, I eventually delved into .NET 8.0.
In 1988, I embarked on a career as a dietitian-nutritionist. By 1996, I was writing nutrition education software using Visual Basic 4.0. I assure you, an information technology degree isn't a necessity. All you need to do is demonstrate your exceptional skills on platforms to private corporations like Microsoft and Google. They are always on the lookout for ways to increase their profits and will be more than willing to support you in helping them achieve this.
Indeed, the USA is home to numerous accredited universities offering courses in computer software development and information technology. However, you might also consider pursuing a Doctorate. Remember, financial success and academic accomplishments can go hand in hand. While the Chinese are making strides in Artificial Intelligence, they are yet to match the prowess of the United States.
I have no doubt that you'll excel in whatever you set out to do.
God Bless,
Jim.
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
Angel
Jason Poinson
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New York, New York
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Jason’s Answer
Don't stress over the name of the school you attend. The key is to choose a school that offers the major you're passionate about and then shine in that field. Always give your all and work diligently. Demonstrate your dedication to your chosen field by earning certificates that highlight your skills. Remember, employers value your accomplishments and abilities more than the name of your school.
Monica Chin
Talent Sourcer
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San Francisco, California
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Monica’s Answer
Hi Angel,
That’s a great question and I have to say I agree with most people here! I personally don’t think the college you attend will be the ultimate deciding factor when getting a job.
I can't speak for everyone, but working as a Talent Sourcer, I personally don’t pay much attention to where people got their degree from. I look more for relevant skills, projects, certifications, tech stack and previous experience and will reach out to a person regardless of the type of institution they attended i.e. community college, state college, prestigious university, bootcamp, etc. I like to acknowledge that everyone's circumstances are different and that college may not be accessible to people for many different reasons. That doesn't mean they're less qualified and it shouldn’t be used as a barrier into the workforce.
You also don’t have to limit yourself to big tech companies – there are so many great smaller tech companies that you can join! In my experience and from what I’ve heard from my network, smaller companies may sometimes have more opportunities for growth and you may be more hands on/have more ownership in your role.
(Also, where I currently work, there are lots of people who didn’t attend a traditional college. Some people in leadership roles are completely self-taught or took a bootcamp!)
Remember that everyone’s journey will look a little different. Wishing you the best of luck on yours :)
That’s a great question and I have to say I agree with most people here! I personally don’t think the college you attend will be the ultimate deciding factor when getting a job.
I can't speak for everyone, but working as a Talent Sourcer, I personally don’t pay much attention to where people got their degree from. I look more for relevant skills, projects, certifications, tech stack and previous experience and will reach out to a person regardless of the type of institution they attended i.e. community college, state college, prestigious university, bootcamp, etc. I like to acknowledge that everyone's circumstances are different and that college may not be accessible to people for many different reasons. That doesn't mean they're less qualified and it shouldn’t be used as a barrier into the workforce.
You also don’t have to limit yourself to big tech companies – there are so many great smaller tech companies that you can join! In my experience and from what I’ve heard from my network, smaller companies may sometimes have more opportunities for growth and you may be more hands on/have more ownership in your role.
(Also, where I currently work, there are lots of people who didn’t attend a traditional college. Some people in leadership roles are completely self-taught or took a bootcamp!)
Remember that everyone’s journey will look a little different. Wishing you the best of luck on yours :)
Loved reading this, thanks!
Angel
Justin Oppelaar
Software Engineering
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Issaquah, Washington
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Justin’s Answer
Hi Angel, this is a great question (as evidenced by how many thoughtful answers you're getting)!
As with the others, I'd say strongly that the college name or reputation is NOT a blocker to a career in computer science. Going to an elite school can make things easier in two specific ways: first, it creates a network of other high-achievers and well connected people that you can tap into more easily than if you didn't have that access. And second, many tech companies (Microsoft included) have specific recruiting programs that target elite schools (generally, the Ivies, plus top engineering schools like MIT and Caltech).
All that said - you absolutely can still network and participate in recruiting without going to this type of school - it might take a little more hard work on your part, but that's true of any type of successful career. Whatever school you attend, seek out people who have already had success in this field, or who are involved in the local business community. Look beyond the school to business organizations, nonprofits and other local groups that can help you build your connections.
And with computer science, remember that it is very similar to a trade like plumbing or auto mechanics - if you keep coding and keep building stuff, your output will speak for itself. Good luck!
As with the others, I'd say strongly that the college name or reputation is NOT a blocker to a career in computer science. Going to an elite school can make things easier in two specific ways: first, it creates a network of other high-achievers and well connected people that you can tap into more easily than if you didn't have that access. And second, many tech companies (Microsoft included) have specific recruiting programs that target elite schools (generally, the Ivies, plus top engineering schools like MIT and Caltech).
All that said - you absolutely can still network and participate in recruiting without going to this type of school - it might take a little more hard work on your part, but that's true of any type of successful career. Whatever school you attend, seek out people who have already had success in this field, or who are involved in the local business community. Look beyond the school to business organizations, nonprofits and other local groups that can help you build your connections.
And with computer science, remember that it is very similar to a trade like plumbing or auto mechanics - if you keep coding and keep building stuff, your output will speak for itself. Good luck!
I appreciate you taking the time to answer this.
Angel
Ruth Murphy, MS
Security Compliance and Assurance
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Hillsboro, New Hampshire
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Ruth’s Answer
Great question. To be honest, a community college degree is just as good as a major university. Long gone are the days of a gold star for being from a certain college. On-line course ( free and paid) are often great and come down to the following.. you get what you put into it. Certificates are not always needed, however when a company is looking for someone, they love to see a basis of understanding that the certificates gives them. Human resource "bots" look for the certificates in a resume// CV. it gets your foot n the door if you were not already referred by someone.
No matter what school or course you take in your given interest, figure a way to show your uniqueness.
Look at job postings, meet with people in jobs you think you might want to do. Ask lots of questions. This will help refine your knowlege , what course work to focus on and what to focus on out side of classes. You want to have something to show a company that you did with a team ( or by yourself) . They will want to see how you work with others.
network !! get a mentor or 5 at differant levels of their careers. They often will be the ones to get you a job.
find subjects that excite you, what are you passionate about.
keep learning always.. be a lifelong learner
No matter what school or course you take in your given interest, figure a way to show your uniqueness.
Look at job postings, meet with people in jobs you think you might want to do. Ask lots of questions. This will help refine your knowlege , what course work to focus on and what to focus on out side of classes. You want to have something to show a company that you did with a team ( or by yourself) . They will want to see how you work with others.
Ruth recommends the following next steps:
Loved reading this, thanks!
Angel
Giri -
Snr Solution Architect
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Reading, England, United Kingdom
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Giri’s Answer
Get the skills, evidence your practical application of them and ideally apply them to something you care about. All of this will help you prepare not only for a potential career in "big-tech" but also opens doors to new and different opportunities that you might not be considering right now. Demonstrating the ability to learn new things and apply them practically whilst working in collaboration with others are the skills you will need.
Whether you get them from a big name college, a local one or not at all!
Good luck on your journey!
Whether you get them from a big name college, a local one or not at all!
Good luck on your journey!
Thank you for the advice.
Angel
Brett Moscati
Technology Sales
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New York, New York
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Brett’s Answer
Hello Angel!
In essence, the straightforward response to your query is no. Indeed, prestigious universities might offer some additional opportunities, but it's by no means a prerequisite for success.
During my tenure at several substantial tech firms, I've worked alongside numerous colleagues who didn't graduate from so-called 'elite' or 'top-tier' universities, yet they've flourished in their respective roles and companies. Especially in today's world, with an abundance of free resources at your disposal, you possess the potential to shine in any field you desire, irrespective of your university.
To sum it up - don't let this hinder your progress, because ultimately, universities aren't the ultimate determinant of your success!
Best,
Brett
In essence, the straightforward response to your query is no. Indeed, prestigious universities might offer some additional opportunities, but it's by no means a prerequisite for success.
During my tenure at several substantial tech firms, I've worked alongside numerous colleagues who didn't graduate from so-called 'elite' or 'top-tier' universities, yet they've flourished in their respective roles and companies. Especially in today's world, with an abundance of free resources at your disposal, you possess the potential to shine in any field you desire, irrespective of your university.
To sum it up - don't let this hinder your progress, because ultimately, universities aren't the ultimate determinant of your success!
Best,
Brett
Thank you, Brett for the advice.
Angel
James Constantine Frangos
Consultant Dietitian & Software Developer since 1972 => Nutrition Education => Health & Longevity => Self-Actualization.
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Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
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James Constantine’s Answer
Dear Angel,
The prestige of your college can influence your career trajectory to some extent, but it's not the only factor that big tech companies consider when hiring. While a degree from a renowned university can offer benefits such as access to exceptional faculty, cutting-edge research, and a strong alumni network, it's not the exclusive route to success in the tech world.
Big tech companies are more interested in your skills, knowledge, and experience. They prioritize hiring those with solid technical skills, problem-solving capabilities, and a comprehensive understanding of computer science principles. Candidates who can showcase their abilities through practical projects, internships, or relevant work experience often stand out.
Here are some considerations when choosing where to pursue your computer science degree:
1. Curriculum and Education Quality: Review the curriculum of each college to ensure it covers the fundamental and advanced computer science topics. Look for programs that strike a balance between theoretical knowledge and practical application. Also, consider the faculty's expertise, research opportunities, and access to modern facilities.
2. Internship and Job Placement Opportunities: Look into the college's history of internships and job placements in the tech industry. Colleges with strong ties to big tech companies or a record of placing graduates in high-demand positions are worth considering. Internships can provide invaluable hands-on experience and networking opportunities.
3. Networking and Alumni Connections: Gauge the strength of the college's alumni network and its ties within the tech industry. A college with a strong alumni network can offer valuable connections, mentorship opportunities, and potential job leads.
4. Financial Considerations: Consider the cost of tuition, living expenses, and any available financial aid or scholarships. While a prestigious university may offer benefits, it's crucial to consider the financial implications and whether the potential benefits outweigh the costs.
In summary, while a prestigious university can offer certain benefits, it's not the only factor in securing a job at a big tech company. Your skills, knowledge, experience, and ability to demonstrate your proficiency in computer science are more important. Choose a college that offers a robust education, practical experience, and networking opportunities in the tech industry.
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Go with God!
The prestige of your college can influence your career trajectory to some extent, but it's not the only factor that big tech companies consider when hiring. While a degree from a renowned university can offer benefits such as access to exceptional faculty, cutting-edge research, and a strong alumni network, it's not the exclusive route to success in the tech world.
Big tech companies are more interested in your skills, knowledge, and experience. They prioritize hiring those with solid technical skills, problem-solving capabilities, and a comprehensive understanding of computer science principles. Candidates who can showcase their abilities through practical projects, internships, or relevant work experience often stand out.
Here are some considerations when choosing where to pursue your computer science degree:
1. Curriculum and Education Quality: Review the curriculum of each college to ensure it covers the fundamental and advanced computer science topics. Look for programs that strike a balance between theoretical knowledge and practical application. Also, consider the faculty's expertise, research opportunities, and access to modern facilities.
2. Internship and Job Placement Opportunities: Look into the college's history of internships and job placements in the tech industry. Colleges with strong ties to big tech companies or a record of placing graduates in high-demand positions are worth considering. Internships can provide invaluable hands-on experience and networking opportunities.
3. Networking and Alumni Connections: Gauge the strength of the college's alumni network and its ties within the tech industry. A college with a strong alumni network can offer valuable connections, mentorship opportunities, and potential job leads.
4. Financial Considerations: Consider the cost of tuition, living expenses, and any available financial aid or scholarships. While a prestigious university may offer benefits, it's crucial to consider the financial implications and whether the potential benefits outweigh the costs.
In summary, while a prestigious university can offer certain benefits, it's not the only factor in securing a job at a big tech company. Your skills, knowledge, experience, and ability to demonstrate your proficiency in computer science are more important. Choose a college that offers a robust education, practical experience, and networking opportunities in the tech industry.
Top 3 Authoritative Reference Publications or Domain Names Used:
1. Forbes - www.forbes.com
2. The Balance Careers - www.thebalancecareers.com
3. U.S. News & World Report - www.usnews.com
Organic Web Results:
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Various sources discuss whether the college you attend matters to big tech companies, the value of a computer science degree, and alternative paths to becoming a programmer or software engineer.
Go with God!
Thank you!
Angel
Amy Li
Sales Management
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San Francisco, California
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Amy’s Answer
When it comes to working at a tech company, your education is less important. If you have hard skills that you can showcase, that is more important than what school you came from. However, being at a more connected school will allow you to gain access to potential internships at an earlier stage in your career, so it is still an important factor to weigh in today's world,
Thanks for the help.
Angel
Terra Hakam
Sales
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Seattle, Washington
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Terra’s Answer
Based on my experience, a key factor to consider is the networking environment. You need to ask yourself if the school will provide you with access to professors who are employed at major tech companies. It's also worth investigating where the alumni are currently working. Networking is just as crucial as the college and degree itself, as it connects you with individuals who can unlock the opportunities you're after. Consider choosing schools that are recruitment hubs for your dream companies. For instance, Nintendo often recruits from the University of Washington, while Silicon Valley tends to favor the UC schools. The aspects of location and networking are frequently neglected in educational decisions, but they are vital to your future success.
Thanks for your encouragement!
Angel
Mike Rudner
Account Executive
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Los Angeles, California
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Mike’s Answer
Hello Angel,
In my personal opinion, the specific institution where you pursued your education doesn't hold much weight when it comes to securing a position at a major tech firm. I'm presently employed at Twilio, working within the sales department, and our team is a diverse mix of individuals hailing from various educational backgrounds. It's important to note that each large tech company has its own unique culture and requirements, but the key is to focus on acquiring valuable internships and developing the necessary skills during your college years. This holds true irrespective of the college you attend.
Best,
Mike
In my personal opinion, the specific institution where you pursued your education doesn't hold much weight when it comes to securing a position at a major tech firm. I'm presently employed at Twilio, working within the sales department, and our team is a diverse mix of individuals hailing from various educational backgrounds. It's important to note that each large tech company has its own unique culture and requirements, but the key is to focus on acquiring valuable internships and developing the necessary skills during your college years. This holds true irrespective of the college you attend.
Best,
Mike
Thank you for the advice.
Angel
Craig Monnell
Account Executive
10
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Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
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Craig’s Answer
In my view, the initial two years of your college journey aren't significantly impacted by the institution you choose, as these years are primarily filled with prerequisite courses. Perhaps, to keep your overall college expenses in check, you might consider attending a local technical school for this period and earn an Associate degree. Interestingly, this approach could potentially simplify your entry into your preferred university, as many institutions often welcome Junior level transfers. However, it's crucial to verify this with the admissions office of your chosen university as policies can differ. Wishing you all the best in your academic journey! :)
Thank you so much for the advice.
Angel
Damon Collins
Senior Engineering Leader | Mobile, Web, & UI
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Plano, Texas
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Damon’s Answer
You've received a wealth of fantastic responses, so I'll keep my advice succinct! I want to amplify and bolster the thoughts shared by others here; The tech giants shouldn't always be the center of your attention. There's a vast universe of tech companies out there for you to kick-start your career, not to mention countless companies that are heavily reliant on technology. These organizations, whether large or small, provide comparable salaries, perks, challenges, and avenues for learning. So, when you're ready to dive into the job market, do it with an open heart and mind.
Wishing you nothing but success!
Wishing you nothing but success!
I appreciate you taking the time to answer this.
Angel
Robert Wen
Build and Release Engineer
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Redwood City, California
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Robert’s Answer
How "big" is big enough for a "big tech" :) ? Realistically, in tech business, mergers or acquisitions can happen anytime. When a not-so-big company gets acquired by a bigger one, then you might end up in a big tech even you didn't plan to. Obviously the other direction such as spin off or downsizing can take place too. Perhaps a more important question is if a candidate and the opportunities he/she is seeking are a good fit which depends on many factors including team culture, product roadmap, technical skills academic achievements, communication skills, internships and any training or relevant experiences... Hope that helps.
Michael Condouris
Software Architeect
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West Caldwell, New Jersey
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Michael’s Answer
As a hiring manager at a consulting firm, I can say that the prestige of a university isn't typically a significant factor in my decision-making process, with a few exceptions.
First, if a candidate has accumulated more than approximately 5 years of professional experience, I tend to focus less on their educational background. By that point, their work experience becomes a more reliable gauge of their capabilities.
Second, the sheer number of educational institutions means I only really take note of those with broad recognition and a reputation for excellence in their field. For example, renowned institutions like MIT or Harvard would undeniably catch my eye. However, it's challenging to discern the subtle differences between the majority of universities and their computer science departments.
Another consideration is how you anticipate you'll perform at the universities you're contemplating. If you're a self-learner, the university's reputation may not be as crucial. Conversely, if you believe that your learning style thrives under the guidance of high-quality professors and mentors, it may be worth scrutinizing the programs more thoroughly.
Last, consider the kind of peers you'll be collaborating with. If a particular school has a reputation for attracting more engaged and innovative students, this could provide you with an advantage in the long run. A fulfilling college experience can leave you with a valuable network of contacts and inspire you to explore opportunities you might not have otherwise considered.
First, if a candidate has accumulated more than approximately 5 years of professional experience, I tend to focus less on their educational background. By that point, their work experience becomes a more reliable gauge of their capabilities.
Second, the sheer number of educational institutions means I only really take note of those with broad recognition and a reputation for excellence in their field. For example, renowned institutions like MIT or Harvard would undeniably catch my eye. However, it's challenging to discern the subtle differences between the majority of universities and their computer science departments.
Another consideration is how you anticipate you'll perform at the universities you're contemplating. If you're a self-learner, the university's reputation may not be as crucial. Conversely, if you believe that your learning style thrives under the guidance of high-quality professors and mentors, it may be worth scrutinizing the programs more thoroughly.
Last, consider the kind of peers you'll be collaborating with. If a particular school has a reputation for attracting more engaged and innovative students, this could provide you with an advantage in the long run. A fulfilling college experience can leave you with a valuable network of contacts and inspire you to explore opportunities you might not have otherwise considered.
Carl Manson Jr., PMP
5G Program Manager - Verizon
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Stone Mountain, Georgia
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Carl’s Answer
Hello Angel, excellent inquiry! I've taken the time to peruse the other responses and found many insightful points. Rather than rehashing the same information, I'll share my unique viewpoint. Ultimately, the choice of school should hinge on its potential to hone your professional skills and offer a worthwhile return on your investment. The prestige of a school doesn't necessarily equate to success.
While a prestigious institution might give your career an initial boost, it's your talent and dedication that will shape your career path. I began my journey at Georgia Tech, a globally recognized institution that attracted numerous Fortune 500 companies to its career fairs. However, it wasn't the right fit for me. The learning environment wasn't conducive to my growth at the time.
I made the decision to transfer to a less renowned school, Kennesaw State University, where I thrived. I then pursued three graduate degrees from Keller Graduate School of Management. While it may not be the most prestigious institution, it equipped me with the skills I needed to excel. I've had a fulfilling 25-year career at Verizon, working in various departments across the company.
Another crucial factor to consider is the financial aid a school provides. In my view, if a school doesn't offer financial support and leaves you to foot the bill, it's not worth the investment. Student loan debt can significantly impact your life. It could be the deciding factor between affording a 3500 square foot house or a 5000 square foot house. Regardless of whether your degree bears the name of Duke or Harvard, your loan company is only interested in repayment. I hope you find this advice helpful.
While a prestigious institution might give your career an initial boost, it's your talent and dedication that will shape your career path. I began my journey at Georgia Tech, a globally recognized institution that attracted numerous Fortune 500 companies to its career fairs. However, it wasn't the right fit for me. The learning environment wasn't conducive to my growth at the time.
I made the decision to transfer to a less renowned school, Kennesaw State University, where I thrived. I then pursued three graduate degrees from Keller Graduate School of Management. While it may not be the most prestigious institution, it equipped me with the skills I needed to excel. I've had a fulfilling 25-year career at Verizon, working in various departments across the company.
Another crucial factor to consider is the financial aid a school provides. In my view, if a school doesn't offer financial support and leaves you to foot the bill, it's not worth the investment. Student loan debt can significantly impact your life. It could be the deciding factor between affording a 3500 square foot house or a 5000 square foot house. Regardless of whether your degree bears the name of Duke or Harvard, your loan company is only interested in repayment. I hope you find this advice helpful.
You rock! This advice is very helpful.
Angel
Vilma Prado
Executive Administrative Assistant
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Livingston, New Jersey
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Vilma’s Answer
Regardless of where you earned your degree, the crucial factor is that you have a four-year degree in computer science or a related field. For instance, my son graduated from a public university in New Jersey, Kean University, with a computer science degree. He completed his studies in 2022 and has since secured a position as an IT Tech Engineer at Verizon. The key to success lies in maintaining persistence and cultivating a strong work ethic in your chosen field.
Todd Thompson
Engineer
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Cañon City, Colorado
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Todd’s Answer
Hi there....short answer: No. If I had any advice here, I would say that prior experience is a major factor in getting that tech job. If you have the opportunity to get an internship, or coop job prior to graduation, that would be the best resume add you could have. Most schools will provide a pretty robust engineering degree and the tech hiring managers know this, but if you come to an interview with prior tech experience you will be considered before those who do not have that experience.
Thank you, Todd!
Angel
Cris Erickson
Account Executive
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Austin, Texas
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Cris’s Answer
Prioritize your financial stability and circumstances. The expense of out-of-state tuition can be a significant financial strain, so it's not recommended to study out-of-state unless you're passionate about a specific school.
Major tech corporations will consider your college degree for your initial job after graduation, but the field of Computer Science is expanding and flourishing, so job opportunities should be plentiful. After gaining 3-4 years of experience in your field, the importance of where you got your degree diminishes. Your work performance and achievements will take precedence, and you'll be evaluated more on your abilities than your alma mater.
Major tech corporations will consider your college degree for your initial job after graduation, but the field of Computer Science is expanding and flourishing, so job opportunities should be plentiful. After gaining 3-4 years of experience in your field, the importance of where you got your degree diminishes. Your work performance and achievements will take precedence, and you'll be evaluated more on your abilities than your alma mater.
Thank you so much!
Angel
Mauro Serrano
Cloud Engineering
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Anaheim, California
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Mauro’s Answer
Hey Angel,
While some big name colleges may offer you easier access to opportunities, if you really want to pursue CS, focus on becoming the best CS major you can and having the projects to showcase that. Working in big tech now, I think candidates that have a strong story and skillset will often outshine a students school. I was First Generation & initially went to school thinking I would pursue medicine but turned towards CS so things might change as well for you. Your first 2 years can be done anywhere and you can always change schools so just focus on doing well and try to do it as cost efficient as possible.
Best of luck!
-Mauro
While some big name colleges may offer you easier access to opportunities, if you really want to pursue CS, focus on becoming the best CS major you can and having the projects to showcase that. Working in big tech now, I think candidates that have a strong story and skillset will often outshine a students school. I was First Generation & initially went to school thinking I would pursue medicine but turned towards CS so things might change as well for you. Your first 2 years can be done anywhere and you can always change schools so just focus on doing well and try to do it as cost efficient as possible.
Best of luck!
-Mauro
This was super helpful, thank you!
Angel
Anh Ngo
Sr Software/Firmware Engineer
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Redmond, Washington
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Anh’s Answer
Definitely good name college is better than no name college a little. It depends on which field you want to study from. Each college/university has different strengths and weaknesses. For example, UCSF is good for dental/medical. If you want to study CS, then you should aim to study at MIT. Also, it is hard to get admitted to big name college or university, it is a lot harder to graduate with a good GPA.
If you are not confident in getting good grades from good universities, then you better go to the normal college/university to get the good grades.
If you are not confident in getting good grades from good universities, then you better go to the normal college/university to get the good grades.
Thank you so much for the advice.
Angel
Shayla Lund
Tech Sales
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Rancho Mission Viejo, CA
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Shayla’s Answer
Hello, great question! In my experience, the degree/school you attend is less important than the skills and work ethic that will carry the most weight in your career progression.
For the engineering/programming side, getting a degree in that specific field will be more important given that you will need to learn a specific skill set. I am personally on the sales side in tech and have found that my degree/school was not the deciding factor in getting a job in tech - it was more based on having people skills, being a strong interviewer, and diligently researching the company to show your genuine interest and knowledge. After you have the job, it is unlikely leadership will look back on your degree or school. Instead you will create a "company brand" based on how you have managed to work with your coworkers, excel on your team and execute results.
In short, your hard work will be much more important in climbing the tech ladder of success vs. the school you attend or degree you obtain. With that being said, it will be more interesting for you to study a subject you want to pursue a career in.
Best of luck!!
For the engineering/programming side, getting a degree in that specific field will be more important given that you will need to learn a specific skill set. I am personally on the sales side in tech and have found that my degree/school was not the deciding factor in getting a job in tech - it was more based on having people skills, being a strong interviewer, and diligently researching the company to show your genuine interest and knowledge. After you have the job, it is unlikely leadership will look back on your degree or school. Instead you will create a "company brand" based on how you have managed to work with your coworkers, excel on your team and execute results.
In short, your hard work will be much more important in climbing the tech ladder of success vs. the school you attend or degree you obtain. With that being said, it will be more interesting for you to study a subject you want to pursue a career in.
Best of luck!!
Thank you, this is really helpful.
Angel