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Pearl
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My question is for individual artists and self-employed professionals: How are you making money right now? Also, what skills are benefiting you the most nowadays?
I am asking because many of my friends, including myself, feel a bit lost. We are facing endless rejections and ghosting when applying for jobs not because we lack skills and education, but simply because companies don’t need us. While rejection is a natural part of any career journey, financial stability is still very important to meet our daily needs.
I know it might come across as arrogant to say we are skilled, but that is not my intention. I am just trying to highlight that many talented people are still facing rejection.
So It would be really helpfull if you share your insights on what is working for you, and what is not?
Thank You.🙏
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Kim Matthews
Graphic Production Designer and Sculptor
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Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Kim’s Answer
Oh Pearl. I am right there with you.
What is not working for me: worry, fear, a scattershot approach to job searches, rigid ideas about what I can or should be doing, and overexposure to TV news.
What is working for me: a routine of self-care that includes meditation, yoga, swimming, a healthy diet, and the company of good people. Also, the fact that I have a broad range of skills has been a lifesaver.
Since late 2021, when a long-term contract ended, I've had a variety of short-term contract jobs and freelance projects with considerable gaps in between and have spent most of my cash savings to cover daily expenses. We're all getting ghosted. There are job scams, fake jobs, impossible unicorn jobs, canceled jobs--you know this. And in the meantime, wages have been pushed down, so many of us need to find even more work to make ends meet.
As an introvert, it pains me to acknowledge this, but I think what's going to save us all is relationships. Not "networking" in the superficial, schmoozy sense, but really focusing on doing the hard work of fostering quality collegial relationships. One of the downsides of remote work is that it's so easy for relationships to be strictly transactional, and employees or contractors become "assets" or "fractional" rather than the human beings we are.
Right now I'm working part time as a publications developmental editor, designer, and production artist for a consulting firm that I've worked with periodically for about four years. And a former colleague, who's a top-notch editor and suffering from burnout, is going to introduce me to one of his clients and hopefully I'll get more editing work out of that but I can't bank on it. In the meantime, I'm trying not to get depressed about not keeping up with my studio practice the way I want (which also has a profound effect on my psychological well-being) and applying for jobs on LinkedIn, Indeed, and other job boards as I can.
I've been thinking for a long time about setting up a consultancy of creative people with a variety of strengths and skill sets to share resources, but the problem is the same: sales and marketing, and establishing a strong client base.
What have you and your friends been thinking about? I'd love to know.
Thanks for your question--you are far from alone, and somehow we're going to get through these crazy times.
What is not working for me: worry, fear, a scattershot approach to job searches, rigid ideas about what I can or should be doing, and overexposure to TV news.
What is working for me: a routine of self-care that includes meditation, yoga, swimming, a healthy diet, and the company of good people. Also, the fact that I have a broad range of skills has been a lifesaver.
Since late 2021, when a long-term contract ended, I've had a variety of short-term contract jobs and freelance projects with considerable gaps in between and have spent most of my cash savings to cover daily expenses. We're all getting ghosted. There are job scams, fake jobs, impossible unicorn jobs, canceled jobs--you know this. And in the meantime, wages have been pushed down, so many of us need to find even more work to make ends meet.
As an introvert, it pains me to acknowledge this, but I think what's going to save us all is relationships. Not "networking" in the superficial, schmoozy sense, but really focusing on doing the hard work of fostering quality collegial relationships. One of the downsides of remote work is that it's so easy for relationships to be strictly transactional, and employees or contractors become "assets" or "fractional" rather than the human beings we are.
Right now I'm working part time as a publications developmental editor, designer, and production artist for a consulting firm that I've worked with periodically for about four years. And a former colleague, who's a top-notch editor and suffering from burnout, is going to introduce me to one of his clients and hopefully I'll get more editing work out of that but I can't bank on it. In the meantime, I'm trying not to get depressed about not keeping up with my studio practice the way I want (which also has a profound effect on my psychological well-being) and applying for jobs on LinkedIn, Indeed, and other job boards as I can.
I've been thinking for a long time about setting up a consultancy of creative people with a variety of strengths and skill sets to share resources, but the problem is the same: sales and marketing, and establishing a strong client base.
What have you and your friends been thinking about? I'd love to know.
Thanks for your question--you are far from alone, and somehow we're going to get through these crazy times.
++ to networking as community building and not the transactional exchange. Once I shifted my perspective on networking to building a community of support it made a world of difference so I second this recommendation.
Heather MacDonald
I like how well you answered her question, it gives me more clarity and insight as a new and upcoming business owner as well as an intermediate artist/hobbyist. I was very much lost on how to even begin on running my business, d1ac0r3, I just published and updated my business sight this past week. This gives me more insight to dive deeper and look into some more art-based career in my hunting journey here. I am a 5-year Service Industry Hostess, as well as an artist from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, very, very far from Minnesota, I think this site is really helpful for the fact that students, teachers, and professionals in their respected fields are able to answer questions and collaborate.
Dia Singleton
Thank you so much, Kim for your honest and thoughtful response. It honestly made me feel less alone in this journey, and gave me hope that this phase will eventually get better. What you said about networking really opened my eyes I had never thought of it that way before. When I look at some of my friends who focus on building genuine relationships rather than just “networking,” I notice they often find better opportunities. For example, one of my friends is currently working as an illustrator for a local book publishing house. It’s not remote and the salary is modest, but at least she’s earning while doing creative work. My friends and I are trying to navigate this time by learning as many skills as we can, and some of us have even started creating content. 😊
Pearl
Thanks for your encouraging response! I think our thread is a good example of the importance of making and keeping quality connections. Last night I checked in with a good friend, who just got an important commercial textile sculpture commission, and I was able to share some contacts for woodworking to finish her project, which is going to make a huge difference in the end product. If it weren't for my artist friends, I don't know how I would have made it through tough times; we understand each other in ways other people don't. Brava to you and your cohort!
Kim Matthews
Jaime Castro
Digital Illustrator
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New York, New York
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Jaime’s Answer
I completely resonate with this, Pearl.
It's what I imagine to be the result of an oversaturated market, and companies seeking out candidates that fit the entire criteria, and only the entire criteria.
I am a freelancer in Digital Illustration, but seeking out long term or short term work where-ever I can get it in the industry. When starting up in a career with so much that goes into "making" what is showcased to people, you'd think there'd be roles open everywhere and anywhere-- but again, with how ample the art space has been in the current century, there is a lot of talent that often times doesn't get it's "moment" up until a certain point. I don't recommend waiting until the last minute to get recognized by people wishing to give you work in your art field, it's too dicey and very often places you into the pool of the "starving artist" with the economy being the way it is.
This isn't a sign to lose hope, but a sign to get a day job whilst your search goes on. I know it's not ideal, but even the most revered professionals in the industry have times they have to settle down and get back on their feet someway-- even if it means a 9-5. This grants you time to sort yourself out and build upon the skills you already have in your spare time, and apply to every position you believe you can do something for. You'll slowly but surely find yourself being recruited by people who will now witness your non-stop, wont-stop attitude about your profession in such a scant job market. Linking up with other independents is also always a treat, and leads to industry connections later down the line-- as well as collaborations you can add to your wrap sheet.
Hope this gives you some type of "alleyoop", or just some clarity on why things are the way they are right now without making yourself miserable. It's an awful rabbit hole to sink into and it's best to keep our chins up and take any opportunity by the neck, which translates to better ones down the line.
It's what I imagine to be the result of an oversaturated market, and companies seeking out candidates that fit the entire criteria, and only the entire criteria.
I am a freelancer in Digital Illustration, but seeking out long term or short term work where-ever I can get it in the industry. When starting up in a career with so much that goes into "making" what is showcased to people, you'd think there'd be roles open everywhere and anywhere-- but again, with how ample the art space has been in the current century, there is a lot of talent that often times doesn't get it's "moment" up until a certain point. I don't recommend waiting until the last minute to get recognized by people wishing to give you work in your art field, it's too dicey and very often places you into the pool of the "starving artist" with the economy being the way it is.
This isn't a sign to lose hope, but a sign to get a day job whilst your search goes on. I know it's not ideal, but even the most revered professionals in the industry have times they have to settle down and get back on their feet someway-- even if it means a 9-5. This grants you time to sort yourself out and build upon the skills you already have in your spare time, and apply to every position you believe you can do something for. You'll slowly but surely find yourself being recruited by people who will now witness your non-stop, wont-stop attitude about your profession in such a scant job market. Linking up with other independents is also always a treat, and leads to industry connections later down the line-- as well as collaborations you can add to your wrap sheet.
Hope this gives you some type of "alleyoop", or just some clarity on why things are the way they are right now without making yourself miserable. It's an awful rabbit hole to sink into and it's best to keep our chins up and take any opportunity by the neck, which translates to better ones down the line.
Thank you, this is amazing! I really needed it.
Pearl
I agree--don't wait until the "right time," because change is the only constant, as the saying goes. Also, getting that hustle work ethic and discipline is vital for freelancers and studio artists. Having a solid daily routine makes everything easier and keeps the navel-gazing in perspective because there are always ways to feel a sense of accomplishment.
Kim Matthews
Lisa Carpenter
Sr. Executive Assistant
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Dallas, Texas
Updated
Lisa’s Answer
Great question, Pearl! Kim's response was wonderful and spot on.
My journey has been a bit different, so I'll share what worked for me. Although I'm an artist, I’ve spent most of my career as an executive assistant, with a few sales roles and a stint as a muralist. I'm 62 now, and I found that the stability of an EA job actually fueled my creativity. Knowing my paycheck was secure and having a variety of tasks kept my mind active and inspired. I've even infused my artistic skills into my job, thanks to an encouraging boss, by doing things like whiteboard drawings and hosting painting classes for the team and their kids over ZOOM.
I also do art projects for friends and volunteer to teach painting classes. You are creative, so let that shine! Think outside the box. It would be amazing to land that dream job right away, but don't shy away from exploring new challenges until it happens. Consider side gigs on platforms like Intch, Creatively, Creative Mornings, or Behance. Keep believing in yourself and continue creating, even if your day job is different. Be patient and keep painting, sculpting, drawing—whatever your passion is. Sending you hugs and all the best!
My journey has been a bit different, so I'll share what worked for me. Although I'm an artist, I’ve spent most of my career as an executive assistant, with a few sales roles and a stint as a muralist. I'm 62 now, and I found that the stability of an EA job actually fueled my creativity. Knowing my paycheck was secure and having a variety of tasks kept my mind active and inspired. I've even infused my artistic skills into my job, thanks to an encouraging boss, by doing things like whiteboard drawings and hosting painting classes for the team and their kids over ZOOM.
I also do art projects for friends and volunteer to teach painting classes. You are creative, so let that shine! Think outside the box. It would be amazing to land that dream job right away, but don't shy away from exploring new challenges until it happens. Consider side gigs on platforms like Intch, Creatively, Creative Mornings, or Behance. Keep believing in yourself and continue creating, even if your day job is different. Be patient and keep painting, sculpting, drawing—whatever your passion is. Sending you hugs and all the best!
Lisa, thank you!
Pearl
100%, Lisa. Relative financial stability is so critical to be able to maintain a creative practice for a host of reasons. The other thing I've found is that even if I can't apply my art skills in a job, problem-solving skills, attention to detail, and flexibility are important in most jobs. And when I've had jobs that weren't creative or particularly interesting, I really dug into the craft of whatever it was, and took great pleasure in making the best possible work product. So it's helpful to draw those connections and be able to talk about them to "laypeople"--particularly those who don't understand art and artists or think that art is a waste of time.
Kim Matthews
Wyatt s. Miles
Animator
17
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Dayton, ID
Updated
Wyatt s.’s Answer
Dear Pearl,
I basically work as a Full-Time Freelance Animator for a gaming company presently. I would say that the skills that are benefiting me the most in my position are my willingness to work on things that I frankly don't find very interesting or exciting, my striving to develop interpersonal skills such as good communication and good manners, and just trying to be patient with myself (this one is the most difficult).
I don't feel it's arrogant to say, I also am highly skilled and proficient in many different things. I believe that we All are. I have lost track of how many times I've been rejected and frankly, I don't care anymore. It's their loss, not mine. In fact I just received a rejection this morning from Disney.
You might try getting together with your friends and starting a business of your own. If you all get along well together, it could become a wonderful thing. I ran my own small animation business right out of college and it was a lot of fun for all of us who were involved. It ended up going kaput after about seven years, but I don't regret a moment of it.
Sincerely,
Bro Wyatt s Miles
I basically work as a Full-Time Freelance Animator for a gaming company presently. I would say that the skills that are benefiting me the most in my position are my willingness to work on things that I frankly don't find very interesting or exciting, my striving to develop interpersonal skills such as good communication and good manners, and just trying to be patient with myself (this one is the most difficult).
I don't feel it's arrogant to say, I also am highly skilled and proficient in many different things. I believe that we All are. I have lost track of how many times I've been rejected and frankly, I don't care anymore. It's their loss, not mine. In fact I just received a rejection this morning from Disney.
You might try getting together with your friends and starting a business of your own. If you all get along well together, it could become a wonderful thing. I ran my own small animation business right out of college and it was a lot of fun for all of us who were involved. It ended up going kaput after about seven years, but I don't regret a moment of it.
Sincerely,
Bro Wyatt s Miles
Thank you for the advice, Wyatt s..
Pearl
You're very welcome Pearl. I won't sugar coat it for you. It was really hard running a business and frankly, I didn't really know what the heck I was doing. I was just making it up as I was going along, but it was also the most fun I think I ever had in my career. You can make your own way if you have enough faith. I believe in you guys! Take life by the horns, be Fearless! - your Friend, Wyatt
Wyatt s. Miles
Ronald Chironna
Illustrator/Instructor
2
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New York, New York
Updated
Ronald’s Answer
Hello Pearl! I'm new here at CareerVillage and this will be my first response to a question and such a good question it is. I'm happy to be able to share my experiences with you!
The previous answers were all good and varied and I hope mine will help as well. I'll try to add something different to those responses, rather than repeat what they've advised. I'm a 70-year-old experienced illustrator who has gone through many cycles of intense work and non-work, just as so many others have done. I have happily survived the arts industry with the help of a spouse who had a "regular" job :-) but I did not rely on her to make my living. I found a way to make my own salary in-between art jobs.
The primary way was finding local organizations that hired working artists to instruct art in local schools, clubs, and groups. Here in New York that was done by many non-profit groups that trained us to teach art and work with students of all ages. Perhaps, you have similar opportunities where you are. I found I was able to overcome my inherent shyness, and work with groups of people because they were so willing to be taught and so willing to do art of all kinds. I found that I learned many things about art and about working with others from them as well, and it helped me in doing my own art and in dealing with people of all varieties.
Even if you don't have the exact kind of ways to teach as I have, there may be other ways, in person or online, that you can add to your income by sharing your knowledge, skills, and experiences with others who would benefit greatly from having creative ways to express themselves. I'm sure they would be lucky to have you as their instructor!
The previous answers were all good and varied and I hope mine will help as well. I'll try to add something different to those responses, rather than repeat what they've advised. I'm a 70-year-old experienced illustrator who has gone through many cycles of intense work and non-work, just as so many others have done. I have happily survived the arts industry with the help of a spouse who had a "regular" job :-) but I did not rely on her to make my living. I found a way to make my own salary in-between art jobs.
The primary way was finding local organizations that hired working artists to instruct art in local schools, clubs, and groups. Here in New York that was done by many non-profit groups that trained us to teach art and work with students of all ages. Perhaps, you have similar opportunities where you are. I found I was able to overcome my inherent shyness, and work with groups of people because they were so willing to be taught and so willing to do art of all kinds. I found that I learned many things about art and about working with others from them as well, and it helped me in doing my own art and in dealing with people of all varieties.
Even if you don't have the exact kind of ways to teach as I have, there may be other ways, in person or online, that you can add to your income by sharing your knowledge, skills, and experiences with others who would benefit greatly from having creative ways to express themselves. I'm sure they would be lucky to have you as their instructor!
Thanks for the advice.
Pearl